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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted into truths

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questions and now shattered reality hi

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fruitcake Valentine here hey Kate it's

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great to see you here and here you here

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and we are unbelievably at our 60 second

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show okay

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and today's date is February 13 2018 all

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so we've slated and now we're about to

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introduce our very very interesting

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guests I'm very impressed with this

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gentleman because he doesn't quit you

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know you know he's written no 14 books

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if I know him he's probably even working

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secretly frame frantically fret mom

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frantically or feverishly was what I was

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going to say hundred and fifteen the

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first the person is Preston Dennett and

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Preston has written as I say 15 books he

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started in 1986 that when he found that

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people around him were having

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unexplained encounters and he just

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interviews people by the hundreds

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he's a field investigator for the mutual

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UFO network a paranormal researcher in

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general and he says he's the author of

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20 books okay I made a mistake I thought

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it was only 14 but let us welcome with a

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loud clapping of the hands because I'm

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used to working on stage sometimes

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Preston Bennett hi Preston okay - um so

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glad to speak to you again a very

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interesting new book our newest book I

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guess inside UFOs actually I was just

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reading one quick story and I almost

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didn't listen to what furusho was saying

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I got so involved with it on those

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people that you interviewed for these

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type of episodes or experiences I the

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one thing that always impressed me on

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the UFO show is that everyone was

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absolutely honest about what had

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happened to them and yet people around

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them would scoff at them and it's nice

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to have someone like you that writes

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about these experiences at face value

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yeah that's amazing people one of the

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first things they often say is like I've

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never talked to anyone about this er

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yeah I'm not crazy and nothing I got a

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good education all these various caveats

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but yeah it takes them a while to find

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someone who's willing to listen

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sometimes I found these these stories

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the 10 of them in in the book inside

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UFOs the true accounts of contact by

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Preston Bennett and I'm looking for the

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publisher so I can announce that was the

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publisher Preston blue giant books okay

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I found that every one of these stories

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was interesting and amazing and I you

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know believe these people because I've

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we're both experiencers and we we both

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believe that these things happen here

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and I the one story I will start with my

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criticism which is a criticism you made

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at the end of the book anyway so it's

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not not news to you and it isn't a

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criticism of you in any way but just the

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one woman who was regressed and then she

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remembered a whole lot of stuff I don't

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think that she's lying in any way but I

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also am very hmm if he about about

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hypnotic regression because that can

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implant memories as well if you're not

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really careful but I I don't I do not

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under any circumstances

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think that she's lying quote-unquote

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stay away from hypnotic regression in

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this particular book because there's a

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little bit of controversy surrounding it

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false memory syndrome and what-have-you

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to undergo regressive hypnosis but I

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generally don't recommend it unless a

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person is having say anxieties they're

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just like having nightmares can't sleep

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this sort of thing or if they're just

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dead set on finding out what happened on

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a specific missing time in the interim

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very but it struck one fishing you know

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memories and things like this I don't I

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don't think that most UFO investigators

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are quote-unquote trying to implant

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false memories but I am quite clear that

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some of them and I don't you know want

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to mention any names or anything like

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that some of them may be leading the

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witness a little bit as they as the

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courtroom saying goes don't lead the

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witness so my caveat to our listeners

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here and I think you'd probably both

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agree with me both Kate and Preston

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probably would agree that if you're

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going to get regressed you want to go to

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someone who whose primary work is you

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hypnotism or not somebody whose sole

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interest in life is UFOs because try as

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bit deleting the witness what do you

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you know it's not as easy to lead

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witnesses sometimes as you might think

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they'll stick to their stories but if

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they're you know really sincere about it

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it is a danger and that's why this

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particular book I think there are two

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cases which did use hypnosis but all the

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others are fully conscious memories but

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found is that people who recall their

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stuff under hypnotic regression their

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stories match but other people have been

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called consciously uh-huh so it's

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clearly it works and please use it as a

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the FBI have been used with all kinds of

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trauma victims so I know it does work

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well what makes I just wanted to stay

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away from it because of the controversy

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experiences people are having not

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hypnotic recalled well initially when

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experiences they were all reported under

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hypnosis so your book is different and

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that you have conscious experiences and

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that they actually remember something

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that happened to them and that it's

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Navy former Navy of fellows who had

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experiences and and I believe out of the

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ten people you also had two people who

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types or greys and so that it's it's

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book Preston yeah that's what kind of

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really unique cases and that's what I

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showing people the actual variety of eat

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these people are really seeing what you

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you wonder or at least I do the kind of

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that may be out there with different

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conversely different beings roaming in a

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parallel reality right yeah you know

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whole UFO research whole field for a

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while it seemed very much Star Trek II I

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the fangs and tentacles and be just

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something really unusual but you're kind

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of stuck with the evidence this is what

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and yeah it is very much like Star Trek

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writers perhaps I know that et contact

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visited or taking on board it can be

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through your dream state it can be

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truth in Star Trek um in terms of and

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which turned out to these UFO accounts

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medical technology where we are able to

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of light that can cure a cut you know

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evolved you do need binocular vision

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things you have to stand upright you

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expect but have you yourself ever

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experienced anything Preston I have

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absolutely once I started doing your

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research did I really experienced

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level of the people I've interviewed as

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missing time I have to tell you wasn't

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this subject I started having sightings

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somewhere close up and interactive one I

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one night I was just out of my mind

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not good news I was really upset I had

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to change my whole world view I was

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discussing it with my brother my

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sister-in-law kind of really helped me

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densely populated area and I see this

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well I thought it was a bird at first

274
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but it came right to my car and it

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wasn't a bird it was a ball of light oh

276
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it's not a golf ball is not a

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firecracker what's going on it came

278
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right up to my window you guys I mean

279
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like but two feet away right to my

280
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windshield scoot it back and forth a

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couple of times maybe three darted down

282
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a little bit and went straight up

283
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through the canopy in the trees straight

284
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up into outer space

285
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Wow it targeted me I mean absolutely

286
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came right towards me looked at me a

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couple of feet away and took off how big

288
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was it Preston it was about the size of

289
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a golf ball um and not super bright but

290
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definitely a glowing white orb and yeah

291
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very close they did you sort of get the

292
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feeling you're being probed or looked at

293
00:14:57,390 --> 00:14:55,930
I did yeah and that's what's wrong -

294
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it's not the last time that happened

295
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that happened began on the freeway a

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bellboy and I'm looking around and all

297
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of the cars they're not seeing it it's a

298
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very brief thing just rough town right

299
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my car and I'm going like 60 70 miles an

300
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hour and I'll know whether a UFO meeting

301
00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:19,180
by the way Oh Steven Greer and Richard

302
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Boyle and a bunch of other contactees

303
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Wow

304
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felt like mmm they're probing me yeah

305
00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:27,970
every now and then I'll have a sighting

306
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like this and but sometimes real

307
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close-up these are both I was just gonna

308
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say these orbs seem to be attracted to

309
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certain persons

310
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I had a friend who has orbs around them

311
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all the time and twice when I was in her

312
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presence I also experienced orbs and

313
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I've experienced orbs on my own but I

314
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found it to be startling that she has a

315
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lot of them around her and two of like

316
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maybe my four Orab sightings I was with

317
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her so it they do seem to be attracted

318
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to certain people the orbs yeah I think

319
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um they started noticing me when I was

320
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doing this UFO research because I never

321
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had anything growing up and I looked

322
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into this and that this is actually not

323
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unusual among UFO researchers or

324
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investigators and certainly

325
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contactees but people who do UFO

326
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research Budd Hopkins had a sighting but

327
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rod steiger Whitley Strieber the guy who

328
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investigated his case ed Conroy never

329
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had any sightings at all until he

330
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started researching Whitley streamer's

331
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caves and actually ended up having full

332
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on missing time abduction type

333
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experience oh my goodness now who was

334
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this person because of all the name says

335
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you've mentioned thus far it's the one

336
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name that I'm not particularly familiar

337
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with it Edie Conroy did you say yeah

338
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Edie Conroy was a mainstream journalist

339
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and heard about whitley strieber stories

340
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like I'm gonna expose this guy is a

341
00:17:15,090 --> 00:17:10,480
hoaxer he probably is and I found out no

342
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,100
he wasn't hoaxing yeah and yeah this is

343
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sort of a pattern I've noticed sort of

344
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actually he labeled the term UFO

345
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investigator is disease once you start

346
00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:24,310
looking into this stuff they start

347
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looking into you

348
00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:29,380
well since you had no early experiences

349
00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:32,130
what triggered off your investigating

350
00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:36,580
just just general interest her no I was

351
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:39,030
repulsed by the subject I really was oh

352
00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:41,890
and I was pretty rude about it

353
00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:44,230
and I apologize to all those people that

354
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had my brother I remember you came

355
00:17:52,460 --> 00:17:49,570
running you know I saw UFO I'll just

356
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:52,470
look to him like yeah right sure you did

357
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but what

358
00:18:01,980 --> 00:17:55,750
happened was there's this report on the

359
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:01,990
news in November of 1986 and a pilot

360
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flung his jet a commercial airliner over

361
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Alaska saw a UFO his whole crew did on

362
00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:12,550
the radar they followed it for many

363
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miles from nearly an hour the FAA said

364
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it appeared on their radar

365
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Lobo later denied it and called it split

366
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:22,600
images but it's a great case captain Ken

367
00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:26,530
Jeter oshi the pilot and I stopped my

368
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,300
god this pilot he's got to be lying

369
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gives hoaxes and he's misperceiving

370
00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:33,910
there's just no way he's singing an

371
00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:36,520
alien spaceship I would have known if

372
00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:38,950
you oppose were real by now I mean it

373
00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:41,830
was never mentioned all my years in

374
00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:44,470
school all through college not a word of

375
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this only thing I ever heard was in

376
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:50,170
search of maybe our various little kind

377
00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:52,740
of big early segments on the news

378
00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:55,030
exactly talked about this pilot setting

379
00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:57,580
on the news there was no detail to it

380
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,620
they just a novice pilot Bobby saw a UFO

381
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and they kind of moved on laughing

382
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:05,650
nervously and mm-hmm wow this is amazing

383
00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:07,930
this pilot is putting his reputation on

384
00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:11,860
the line in dad I brought it up and I'm

385
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:13,990
kind of mid mistake of bringing up at

386
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:17,890
work here in my office actually I worked

387
00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:20,770
as a bookkeeper and this lady I worked

388
00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:23,320
with for years and years and years oh I

389
00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:26,590
saw you have hope like really I knew she

390
00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:28,600
wasn't lying to me I've known her for

391
00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:30,820
way too long like oh yeah me and my

392
00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:32,830
whole family thought it darted around I

393
00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:35,080
actually ended up talking to her family

394
00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:36,220
to confirm it

395
00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:39,310
and while she's explaining this in walks

396
00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:41,680
of Dorothy and Dorothy's like oh no

397
00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:43,720
another lady I love and trust and it

398
00:19:48,090 --> 00:19:46,120
worked up for years like UFOs one

399
00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:48,100
followed me home from the library me and

400
00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:50,830
my mom and my best friend oh boy really

401
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:53,230
Chuck yeah he no question it's so weird

402
00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:55,510
we live five minutes from the library we

403
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,090
left at exactly 9:00 we didn't get home

404
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:00,880
till 10:15 who's really strange we lost

405
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:06,400
like an hour of time oh yeah this was

406
00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:08,290
before you know but Hopkins

407
00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:10,900
book missing time had been picked up by

408
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,680
a major publisher and what really wasn't

409
00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:17,440
a super popular subject will the

410
00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:20,800
streamer's book hadn't come out yet so

411
00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:23,560
this was like mmm God really hit home

412
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,230
for me I found out family members were

413
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,240
having encounters some really good

414
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:30,640
friends had encounters one had missing

415
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:33,490
time my sister-in-law had a face-to-face

416
00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:35,710
encounter with great IPTS

417
00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:40,840
oh my gosh no I don't believe this earth

418
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:42,910
is being invaded by ETS and no one

419
00:20:49,650 --> 00:20:47,340
talking about it so you are surrounded

420
00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:49,660
you were surrounded by all these

421
00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:52,060
experiencers and you yourself had up

422
00:20:58,140 --> 00:20:55,660
until the glowing red light the orbs you

423
00:21:13,080 --> 00:20:58,150
yourself haven't had any experiences but

424
00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:13,090
all around you why didn't you well do

425
00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:15,880
you think do you think perhaps of that

426
00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:21,660
the the the bad feelings around people

427
00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:25,270
experiencing UFOs is starting to fade a

428
00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:27,700
little bit do you think that it's a

429
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:29,860
little bit more accepted today than it

430
00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:36,010
was in previous times 100% yes you know

431
00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:39,460
when I first started researching I'd

432
00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:41,080
always say I'll can I use your name if I

433
00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:43,420
write about your sightings No No please

434
00:21:48,990 --> 00:21:46,780
don't know I will lose my job and now

435
00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:49,000
most people say oh no problem

436
00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:51,400
and if I get an opportunity to go on

437
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,790
television back in the day they would

438
00:21:58,830 --> 00:21:56,320
always bring up someone next to me who

439
00:22:00,930 --> 00:21:58,840
was a deep bunker right not someone you

440
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:00,940
know scientists really but someone there

441
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:10,110
nearly as much yeah they look they look

442
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:11,110
really silly

443
00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:14,050
I need the bunkers on TV I agree I agree

444
00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:18,460
and they they will use any a flaccid

445
00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:21,380
argument that they can find

446
00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:24,140
and it's it's an embarrassment they're

447
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:26,600
an embarrassment to science when they

448
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:29,289
won't see something that may be a new

449
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,650
phenomena but I am interested to just

450
00:22:40,270 --> 00:22:36,320
talk a little bit more here about your

451
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:40,280
book and because we here as I had said

452
00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:43,090
are all experiences of various types

453
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:48,260
it's not hard to believe the majority of

454
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:49,850
these people and the majority of what

455
00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:53,809
they have to say so I want to just look

456
00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:55,820
at a little few of the things that I

457
00:23:03,490 --> 00:22:59,240
noticed were common denominators in many

458
00:23:06,490 --> 00:23:03,500
of the of the experiences and that is

459
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:06,500
that even though some people seem to

460
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,150
have had harm done to them it didn't

461
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:14,960
seem as though by and large that many of

462
00:23:22,419 --> 00:23:18,049
these people felt that the the others

463
00:23:25,409 --> 00:23:22,429
were trying to harm them and yet they

464
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:25,419
didn't feel as though the others were

465
00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:27,710
particularly warm and cuddly on the

466
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:30,230
other hand that they were like sort of

467
00:23:37,539 --> 00:23:33,919
have the demeanor of scientists

468
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:37,549
performing experiments on somebody

469
00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:40,520
slightly smarter than a lab rat

470
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:44,360
in that they did bother to communicate

471
00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:48,799
with them mentally right yes kind of an

472
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:51,320
enigma I always ask people oh do you

473
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:53,330
think these guys are hostile and almost

474
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:55,970
no one says that I'm found any evidence

475
00:24:02,080 --> 00:23:58,970
of what I would call sadistic behavior

476
00:24:03,549 --> 00:24:02,090
or nazi-like torture

477
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,559
they're not trying to hurt people

478
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:05,360
they're not trying to scare them it's

479
00:24:11,169 --> 00:24:08,090
not the agenda at all yeah I think

480
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:11,179
they're just different really yeah I

481
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:14,030
mean each case is individual I've talked

482
00:24:19,149 --> 00:24:16,490
people who say no flat out these are my

483
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:19,159
friends I like my family I love them

484
00:24:24,399 --> 00:24:21,770
more than my own family these guys I

485
00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:24,409
loved them and others like hmm they

486
00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:26,630
weren't I'm gonna kind of treated me

487
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:29,150
like a lab rat one lady in the book she

488
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:32,230
was actually healed of a sort of a

489
00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:37,930
and they didn't hurt her at all but she

490
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:39,889
has you know they were kind of arrogant

491
00:24:43,629 --> 00:24:41,450
they didn't really care about my

492
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:43,639
feelings they just sort of Carden you're

493
00:24:50,229 --> 00:24:46,100
awesome like I felt a little bit like a

494
00:24:53,229 --> 00:24:50,239
lab rat is what she said but they didn't

495
00:24:56,889 --> 00:24:53,239
hurt her they healed her one thing that

496
00:24:59,769 --> 00:24:56,899
I found disturbing about your book and

497
00:25:03,940 --> 00:24:59,779
several other encounters I've read about

498
00:25:07,539 --> 00:25:03,950
in other literature is the idea that

499
00:25:09,999 --> 00:25:07,549
people start off by seeing Nordic types

500
00:25:13,629 --> 00:25:10,009
and then they have to interact with

501
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:13,639
Grey's as well and as a as an

502
00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:16,850
experiencer who has had contact with

503
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,940
Nordic types I've never seen a grey and

504
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:21,440
I don't think that I'm really looking

505
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:25,279
forward to seeing any grace so I find

506
00:25:32,769 --> 00:25:29,929
that aspect where Nordic contact then

507
00:25:39,389 --> 00:25:32,779
turns into contact with grace I find

508
00:25:42,879 --> 00:25:39,399
that to be kind of let's say frightening

509
00:25:44,769 --> 00:25:42,889
you know I'm not so sure that Nordics in

510
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:44,779
greys are that far removed from each

511
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,730
other or for that matter for months

512
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:49,279
because what we're seeing and a lot of

513
00:25:55,210 --> 00:25:52,070
these great type ETS have said flat out

514
00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:55,220
to the their contact is like oh one day

515
00:26:00,489 --> 00:25:57,830
you will look just like us or we are you

516
00:26:03,549 --> 00:26:00,499
and you are us and we are related and

517
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:03,559
they are producing these hybrid babies

518
00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:07,909
they're interbreeding with us so great

519
00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:10,190
and notices are often seen together

520
00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:15,249
that's not unusual I think that their

521
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:17,119
relationship is probably a little bit

522
00:26:22,299 --> 00:26:20,690
closer and a lot of people realize well

523
00:26:24,430 --> 00:26:22,309
maybe they're sort of like caterpillars

524
00:26:28,479 --> 00:26:24,440
and butterflies maybe what evolves into

525
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:28,489
the other we don't know that's that's

526
00:26:31,749 --> 00:26:30,169
the interesting thing about this there's

527
00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:31,759
so much that you don't know

528
00:26:36,639 --> 00:26:34,580
so if Preston if you were offered an

529
00:26:41,349 --> 00:26:36,649
invitation to come on board do you think

530
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,359
you'd go I'm absolutely that's just me I

531
00:26:47,289 --> 00:26:44,720
definitely would I'm I don't think UFOs

532
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:47,299
or something to fear I don't think

533
00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:48,920
there's maybe affair doubts I think

534
00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:51,590
look at the evidence overall their

535
00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:55,400
agenda is very positive it looked really

536
00:27:00,700 --> 00:26:57,800
deeply into this and someone's taken on

537
00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:00,710
board the most common thing is being

538
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,680
physically examined but beyond man

539
00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:05,840
they're getting messages and these

540
00:27:10,810 --> 00:27:07,400
messages fall into three different types

541
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:10,820
and they're very positive generally

542
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:13,640
speaking when you talk to people they're

543
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,430
talking for giving warnings warnings

544
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:19,760
about nuclear proliferation warnings

545
00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:22,570
about future environmental destruction

546
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:25,390
warnings about pollution overpopulation

547
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:28,850
violence this sort of thing that's the

548
00:27:34,990 --> 00:27:31,130
most common message second to that would

549
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:35,000
be alternative energy over and over

550
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:36,770
again keep our taking on board after

551
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:38,840
being examined they're taken to the

552
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:41,720
engine room and said we don't run our

553
00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:43,190
ships on fossil fuels

554
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:45,470
you guys don't mean to use fossil fuels

555
00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:48,350
it's destroying your planet can run

556
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:51,590
things on electromagnetics like we do

557
00:27:56,290 --> 00:27:53,780
and actually show them how these ships

558
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:56,300
work got a case just like that in the

559
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:00,440
book yes yes the Navy engineer great

560
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:03,110
witness but took him to the engine room

561
00:28:08,170 --> 00:28:05,570
and had a big long discussion about this

562
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:08,180
so this is pretty common and thinking it

563
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:12,530
just sort of shows on the ETS ultimate

564
00:28:17,470 --> 00:28:15,320
agenda and the third category would be

565
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:17,480
healing and miss turns up again and

566
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:19,880
again and again or spirituality people

567
00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:21,470
are giving messages about alternative

568
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:25,040
healing or psychic development absolute

569
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:29,240
half-lives out-of-body travel this sort

570
00:28:31,030 --> 00:28:29,780
of thing

571
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:31,040
and they come away from their

572
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:36,230
experiences doing the bacon heal or with

573
00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:40,880
a psychic explosion of talent I'm some

574
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:42,800
start channeling some start giving

575
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:46,250
readings one guy he became a water dog

576
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:49,670
hurt so this is something I see quite a

577
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:51,950
bit there's a very strong spiritual

578
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:54,470
transformation and again I think this

579
00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:55,910
speaks to why they're here and what

580
00:29:00,190 --> 00:28:56,780
their agenda is

581
00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:00,200
and it's very positive yes yes I think

582
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:03,630
in for me personally

583
00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:07,890
the terror that I experienced was a loss

584
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:11,160
of volition not being able you know

585
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:13,710
being paralyzed and the loss of volition

586
00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:17,490
is in itself terrifying but nothing

587
00:29:23,419 --> 00:29:19,950
nothing bad happened to me and mostly

588
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:23,429
good things happen to me as a result of

589
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:27,870
it just to go back to the fellow who was

590
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,740
the the Navy engineer and the machine

591
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:33,960
that he ended up making and how the

592
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:38,910
bicycle wheel was able to turn I wonder

593
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:41,790
if he's done if you've seen this machine

594
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:43,950
if he's done anything more with it if

595
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:47,910
you followed up on that no he was quite

596
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:50,010
elderly when I interviewed him and

597
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:52,049
really eager to get the story out before

598
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:55,860
he passed away and he sat in his

599
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,610
experience for many many years back when

600
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,200
he had a experience I believe it was

601
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:04,799
back in the early 1980s and this wasn't

602
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:08,160
nearly as popular a subject and he was a

603
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,570
little bit nervous about it and didn't

604
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:12,299
even come out to his family for many

605
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:15,720
many years but yeah after being taken on

606
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:19,890
board taking the engine room and shown

607
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:23,850
his engine they told him that he could

608
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,820
build this if he wanted to he had the

609
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:28,860
technological know-how to build

610
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:31,260
something like this and that's what he

611
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:33,179
did he went to a hardware store got a

612
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,390
bunch of magnets magnets turned up again

613
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,000
and again these serve accounts

614
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:40,200
counter-rotating magnets

615
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:42,510
I don't think we fully understand the

616
00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:45,510
electromagnetic spectrum unlike these

617
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:48,660
guys too certainly and he was able to

618
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:51,210
build this foot oh kind of a perpetual

619
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,919
motion device Wow

620
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,260
which actually worked I mean this family

621
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:57,120
was really impressed he said this

622
00:31:02,169 --> 00:30:58,919
thing's spun for a couple of weeks you

623
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,179
just started going and keep on going

624
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:04,559
interesting and interesting they're not

625
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,110
unique just yeah it's not unique because

626
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:09,299
this is something that I've never said

627
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,679
on the air before but my father who was

628
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:16,140
also an experiencer

629
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:22,170
did start - was he was a ship shipyard

630
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:24,360
worker and a chemical company worker and

631
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:26,850
he basically did engineering type work

632
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:30,630
although he was not a an engineer he was

633
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:33,660
working with pipes mostly but he after

634
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,210
his experiences he developed an

635
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:38,760
incredible interest in perpetual motion

636
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:42,290
and did experiment and did make a few

637
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:45,650
attempts at a perpetual motion type of

638
00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:50,160
device so even at that level and my

639
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,040
father was no scientist but I want to

640
00:31:59,150 --> 00:31:55,710
tell you but he was fascinated enough by

641
00:32:02,270 --> 00:31:59,160
his his contact experience is that he he

642
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,280
did attempt to build several machines

643
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:04,380
that were perpetual motion and he did

644
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:09,000
build a sculpture to contact the others

645
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:12,960
with so it is it is kind of it it's

646
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:15,230
fascinating what comes of these

647
00:32:22,460 --> 00:32:18,360
encounters but sometimes they leave

648
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:22,470
people entirely terrified and I would

649
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,240
mention this on the outside that we do

650
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,840
know that in the United States alone

651
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:32,880
thousands upon thousands of people go

652
00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:35,970
missing every year with no never ever

653
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:40,520
being found and if you if you take apart

654
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:46,260
the numbers some people are fall into

655
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:48,510
you know fall into a hole or something

656
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:50,940
like that and others are murdered but it

657
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:52,520
does seem to me that there's a

658
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,510
disproportionate number of missing

659
00:33:00,650 --> 00:32:57,440
people so I don't know if you think that

660
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:00,660
any visitors might have any hand in that

661
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:04,320
I would imagine I mean statistically

662
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:06,660
speaking probably there's gotta be some

663
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,470
there's so many missing people but you

664
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:12,480
know if you look into it a lot of these

665
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:15,720
missing people there's nothing a whole

666
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:18,090
lot of research into this that they've

667
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:20,580
been previously reporting UFO

668
00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:23,490
experiences the most part no we've not

669
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:25,169
been able to really pinpoint these

670
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:28,290
missing people cases directly to UFOs in

671
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:29,730
the bath

672
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:31,920
majority of cases but there are a few I

673
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:34,530
mean that there was one case that I was

674
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:36,690
involved with this gentleman er dude

675
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:41,640
real interesting case he and his friends

676
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:43,770
when camping out in the desert this is

677
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:46,200
here in Southern California and they

678
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,880
were all there in the little cabin that

679
00:33:51,890 --> 00:33:49,440
one of them owned and one of the guides

680
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,900
walks off for a couple of hours and

681
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:53,340
comes back because you wouldn't believe

682
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:54,360
what just happened

683
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:57,450
I came upon a landed UFO and no one

684
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,250
believed in accepting of one of the guys

685
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,140
that I am ended up interviewing Tony as

686
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:03,360
his name and Tony is like well tell me

687
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,250
what happened and this gentleman said

688
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:07,260
yeah came upon a landed UFO there was

689
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:11,760
kind of human looking Metis not totally

690
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:14,790
human looking they were bald that kind

691
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:18,060
of pale skin very large dark eyes kind

692
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,720
of like almost grey human hybrids and he

693
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:23,280
said that they were very friendly invite

694
00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:24,780
him aboard the ship so that they're

695
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:27,660
studying the flora and the fauna in this

696
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:30,450
area and they're coming back here on a

697
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:32,550
yearly basis and checking things out and

698
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:34,640
if he wanted to he could come with them

699
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:37,350
and he said no I don't think I want to

700
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:40,440
go but they said well you know we're

701
00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:42,360
going to be here next year at this exact

702
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,140
time so if you change your mind we'll be

703
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:48,720
here and you can meet us and that's

704
00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:51,630
exactly what happened well they left and

705
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,030
the next year rolled around and he

706
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:55,980
started giving away all of the items you

707
00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:58,890
know gave away my aids just all the

708
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,230
stuff he owned his family became very

709
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:03,480
concerned and his sons are like you're

710
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:05,310
not going to go meet these guys are you

711
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:07,410
he's like yeah I'm gonna do it I really

712
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:10,070
want to do it and he did he drove off

713
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:13,290
didn't come back the this guy

714
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:15,510
interviewed went out there with his

715
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:18,870
family and found this guy's car with the

716
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:20,390
keys still in it

717
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:23,580
no trace of this man they had to call

718
00:35:27,590 --> 00:35:25,470
the police was a huge missing-persons

719
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:27,600
case they never found him

720
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:31,740
but it seems that he was invited aboard

721
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:33,870
this UFO and took the invitation Wow

722
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:37,440
never seen again that is an interesting

723
00:35:43,089 --> 00:35:40,740
case why don't you mention the names of

724
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:43,099
your most recent books again I just

725
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:46,760
so that our listeners know where to get

726
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,920
them and the names of them and so forth

727
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:50,990
you want to do that Preston this is

728
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:54,950
Preston down - yes cen any TP on I'm

729
00:36:02,940 --> 00:35:58,720
sure you're on Facebook er yes Internet

730
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:02,950
yeah yeah my latest book is inside UFOs

731
00:36:08,349 --> 00:36:06,080
you can get it on Amazon I also have a

732
00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:08,359
website - just google my name it'll take

733
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:11,480
you there I've got a number of folks I'd

734
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:16,010
put out recently UFOs over Colorado also

735
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:17,690
not from here

736
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:20,780
volumes 1 & 2 in the proud of third

737
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:23,150
volume those are collections of articles

738
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,210
I've written over the years updated with

739
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:29,359
new information and yeah I'm keeping

740
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:31,720
busy I've got a new book coming out next

741
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,010
actually now this year about underwater

742
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:39,280
UFOs UFOs

743
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:41,960
there's a lot of activity right here off

744
00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:43,730
the Southern California coast I think

745
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:47,740
there's might be of undersea base wow I

746
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:51,170
really do I'm not so that's another

747
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:53,570
thing done a lot of research into and

748
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:55,970
super excited about that book so yeah

749
00:37:00,579 --> 00:36:57,890
I'm keeping busy I'll uh I loved

750
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:00,589
researching this stuff it's I think it's

751
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:03,369
a really important subject I do too I

752
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:06,440
really do I mean some people say oh you

753
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:08,330
know you opposed don't affect me I've

754
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:09,800
never seen one I don't really care about

755
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:11,900
them I'm like well you know what they

756
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:13,369
are affecting their you just don't

757
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:14,349
realize it

758
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:18,650
we have crashed UFOs we have the bodies

759
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:22,609
they're being held by the military this

760
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:25,580
subject is absolutely treated seriously

761
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:28,790
by the upper levels of our military and

762
00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:31,970
our military industrial complex and if

763
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:34,580
we could get this technology that we

764
00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:37,609
already have released it would solve our

765
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:39,320
energy crisis would solve our

766
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:41,210
environmental crisis would solve our

767
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:43,609
economic crisis Wow

768
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:47,900
it would we have a huge huge effect the

769
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:50,930
only reason it's being suppressed is

770
00:37:56,590 --> 00:37:53,810
because of or an oil kind of technology

771
00:37:58,810 --> 00:37:56,600
the people who are in power

772
00:38:01,360 --> 00:37:58,820
not gonna let this stuff out as long as

773
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:01,370
we're continuing to spend money on oil

774
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:04,670
and things like this because that we

775
00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:07,070
have free energy we have the technology

776
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:10,040
it's there it's gotta be released the

777
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:11,900
cat's already out of the bag the

778
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:14,090
disclosure movement is not gonna go

779
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,890
backward well well well Tesla had it

780
00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:21,200
over a hundred years ago and JP Morgan

781
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:23,540
famously told him if you can't meet her

782
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,120
it I'm not interested in it and there

783
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:28,160
was a lot of speculation that Tesla

784
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:30,530
himself was received a lot of this

785
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,030
information from UFOs and you know from

786
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:36,800
what you say with the Navy engineer

787
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:39,290
perhaps Tesla was just a little bit more

788
00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:42,410
adroit as far as making or harnessing

789
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:45,380
the power of electricity yeah he said he

790
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:48,950
was in contact he said Wow yeah he

791
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:50,390
thought he was hmm

792
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:53,150
and just looking at his experiment and

793
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:55,190
this is another thing we keep seeing

794
00:38:59,340 --> 00:38:56,470
again like we talked about earlier

795
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,350
people are inspired to become inventors

796
00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:02,720
again and again one guy high school

797
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:04,790
education you know didn't do well in

798
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:07,490
school suddenly he's making all these

799
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,230
patents he's super interested in

800
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:11,480
electromagnetism is actually inventing

801
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:15,470
stuff which again is not unique and

802
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:25,640
certainly not even uncommon over and

803
00:39:33,490 --> 00:39:30,200
over again over the past a hundred or

804
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:33,500
slightly more years of people have come

805
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:36,350
up with machines a variety of different

806
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:41,510
devices we would say that used what

807
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,700
would seem to be free energy the car

808
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:45,920
that works on water the electric car

809
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:48,740
which is in free energy but it's it it's

810
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:51,500
approaching approaching that and we see

811
00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:53,330
over and over again the powers that be

812
00:40:01,000 --> 00:39:56,740
try to step on that to squelch it and

813
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:01,010
it's it's really unfortunate but I have

814
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:07,340
no no option but to believe that a free

815
00:40:10,299 --> 00:40:09,890
or almost free energy is possible and

816
00:40:13,029 --> 00:40:10,309
that

817
00:40:14,979 --> 00:40:13,039
we have to persevere as the one

818
00:40:17,439 --> 00:40:14,989
gentleman in the book one of the Navy

819
00:40:19,749 --> 00:40:17,449
fellows said that we have to you know

820
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,759
kind of persevere and believe that it

821
00:40:24,489 --> 00:40:21,680
can happen because I believe that

822
00:40:27,249 --> 00:40:24,499
intention if we have the intention to do

823
00:40:29,709 --> 00:40:27,259
something that we can in fact make it

824
00:40:32,739 --> 00:40:29,719
happen and if we have the intention to

825
00:40:35,229 --> 00:40:32,749
say run a car on water we can but I

826
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:35,239
think our next step will be some form of

827
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:38,569
a hovercraft because I've seen visions

828
00:40:46,209 --> 00:40:43,249
where our highways are overrun with

829
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:46,219
grass and and that things are floating

830
00:40:52,929 --> 00:40:48,650
up just above the highways and that they

831
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:52,939
just use the old highways as a sort of a

832
00:40:59,469 --> 00:40:57,529
route to follow kind of thing well I

833
00:41:03,189 --> 00:40:59,479
can't wait for that to happen I see the

834
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:03,199
traffic here in LA just oh the worst in

835
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,089
the world I've heard yeah oh six me an

836
00:41:12,729 --> 00:41:09,680
hour just to go ten miles

837
00:41:15,549 --> 00:41:12,739
Wow Wow there's no reason for it we have

838
00:41:17,979 --> 00:41:15,559
the technology yeah we have lose energy

839
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:17,989
and I think what the et they're doing is

840
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:19,849
basically now they've bonded the

841
00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:21,650
government we have the technology it's

842
00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:24,380
still not coming out so they're going to

843
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:26,150
the people we're doing a grassroots

844
00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:29,209
movement type of thing and one contact

845
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:30,799
after another has been giving this

846
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,709
information and sooner or later it's

847
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:35,839
just going to reach a saturation point

848
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:39,049
where it can't be covered up anymore

849
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:41,630
hmm we would like we're trending towards

850
00:41:50,949 --> 00:41:44,209
open official contact I hope so I hope

851
00:41:54,219 --> 00:41:50,959
so you had written a book about some

852
00:41:59,289 --> 00:41:54,229
interesting events on the Coronado

853
00:42:02,589 --> 00:41:59,299
Island and we had one of our regular

854
00:42:06,189 --> 00:42:02,599
listeners a gentleman named Peter report

855
00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:06,199
about his incident at the big hotel

856
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:09,319
there the del Coronado and his

857
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:13,089
experience had to do with a television

858
00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:18,140
that came on by itself and display the

859
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,679
image of a woman who was a perhaps

860
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:24,170
deceased so we would call it a ghost

861
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,250
and and so we'd like to hear a little

862
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:30,560
bit more unfortunately haven't gotten to

863
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:34,400
reading your book about the card Auto

864
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:36,950
Island incident yet but I it will

865
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:39,980
certainly be on my list of things to

866
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:42,020
read would you like to give us a just a

867
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:45,140
short rundown on that Preston yeah

868
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:47,750
absolutely it's a great case and what's

869
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:50,210
amazing about this case is sort of it

870
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:52,730
when I give to people they are skeptical

871
00:42:58,930 --> 00:42:55,160
because it involves not one witness not

872
00:43:02,140 --> 00:42:58,940
two not four on not even six or eight

873
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:02,150
it's more than that on this one night in

874
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:04,580
nineteen ninety-four March 14th I

875
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:06,830
believe it was a bunch of people had

876
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,310
contact and there this book that I wrote

877
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:13,250
focuses on six witnesses for it's a

878
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:15,230
village in this is just down the street

879
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:18,440
from the court del Coronado now if

880
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:20,330
you've been to Coronado Island it's very

881
00:43:24,850 --> 00:43:22,580
densely populated it's a very touristy

882
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:24,860
town it's got an enormous number of

883
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:26,900
police on there this is where the Navy

884
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:28,900
SEALs do their training it's

885
00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:32,180
quasi-military the least likely place

886
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:35,060
you'd ever expect for a UFO encounter

887
00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:37,100
and when this encounter actually

888
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:40,670
happened President Clinton was due to

889
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:42,170
visit in like two days

890
00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:46,010
he's been and the staying actually at a

891
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,440
house maybe a block away from where this

892
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:50,960
incident occurred so the entire island

893
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:53,450
was just swimming with Secret Service I

894
00:44:01,570 --> 00:43:58,310
don't know if this was a display of you

895
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:01,580
know what these ETS can do or what have

896
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:05,330
you but on this one night six people in

897
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:09,230
one hotel were all taken and all the men

898
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:12,470
to various degrees of recall got

899
00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:14,300
interviewed they were taken where

900
00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:18,740
Preston I'm into a UFO they were had an

901
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:22,280
abduction experience okay out of the

902
00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:26,090
hotel room which sounds unusual but if

903
00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:28,040
you look into this you know that these

904
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:32,320
ETS can abduct people anywhere out of a

905
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:36,050
moving trains off of boats densely

906
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:37,600
populated suburbs

907
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:40,090
condos I had one person who had an

908
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:42,070
experience in the Marriott hotel

909
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:44,590
unlike the seventh floor her Woodland

910
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:45,280
Hills

911
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:47,800
that's scary yeah these people all had

912
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:49,450
an experience on the same night with

913
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,510
gray type ETS and some extraordinary

914
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:54,160
experience because it involves a great

915
00:44:59,900 --> 00:44:57,880
deal of medical evidence it's absolutely

916
00:45:05,520 --> 00:44:59,910
one of the people actually had their

917
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:05,530
implant removed dr. Roger Leir we

918
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:07,840
specialized in this so yeah it's a great

919
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,150
case to Norma's amounts of physical

920
00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:13,020
evidence and sort of The Smoking Gun

921
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:15,820
proving that these experiences do really

922
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:18,700
happen had anybody reported actually

923
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:25,470
mm-hmm

924
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:28,360
only two is a limited extent they

925
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:32,260
reported seeing bright lights not actual

926
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:33,970
crafts but one person was sucked up

927
00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:37,120
actually a cup three people were sucked

928
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:39,100
up out of the hotel into a beam of light

929
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:40,810
into a craft so they didn't see it

930
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:43,750
outside but it did sit on the inside and

931
00:45:48,570 --> 00:45:45,460
these people were not related to each

932
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:48,580
other not a family group um there was

933
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:51,460
one husband and wife mm-hmm in one room

934
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:54,460
in the second one there was two best

935
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:56,920
friends and in the third room these are

936
00:46:04,080 --> 00:45:59,530
all adjoining rooms by the way with

937
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:04,090
another husband wife so uh yeah it's a

938
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:07,960
really strange case a mass abduction I

939
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,460
think you might cause there's not a

940
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:11,680
whole lot out there most of us are one

941
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:15,610
two maybe three or four people but six

942
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:19,030
seven or eight that's almost unheard of

943
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:21,190
well since if people didn't know each

944
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:25,960
other beforehand how did they sort of

945
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,460
relate to each other and say well you

946
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:28,720
wouldn't believe what happened to me

947
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:30,610
last night was just like a conversation

948
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:34,030
over breakfast or how did they get to

949
00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:35,590
know that the others or did they

950
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,120
actually see the other people in the

951
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:40,260
craft um no they didn't know each other

952
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:43,650
they were friends all these people were

953
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:47,410
going down next no I was there I was on

954
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:50,750
Cornell at that time oh yeah

955
00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:54,410
yeah UFO conference on that weekend and

956
00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:55,460
that's why they were there

957
00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:00,620
Oh weekend trains Oh Oh careful what you

958
00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:01,100
wish for

959
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:06,020
Wow this turns up actually this is

960
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:08,450
apparently a thing I just had no idea um

961
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:11,450
but a lot of people report encounters

962
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:14,830
mm-hmm while attending a UFO conference

963
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:17,270
either in the hotel room or they'll run

964
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:18,860
outside and like there's a us all

965
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:24,140
outside everyone see it this happens

966
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:26,930
quite a bit and this happened in the

967
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:31,640
triad UFO conference 94 on Coronado

968
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:34,870
Island had they had prior experiences

969
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:40,040
each one did yes to some extent Mike I

970
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:41,930
haven't forgot any of you didn't think

971
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:43,970
so you know he was very interested in

972
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:45,410
UFOs but it's like no I'm not an

973
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:49,300
experiencer but he was now you are

974
00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:53,390
welcome up yeah after looking into it he

975
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,080
writes having been his entire life Kate

976
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:00,800
knows that at the conference at which I

977
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:03,740
first met her would she put on in

978
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:07,060
Atlantic City with Atlantic Coast UFOs

979
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,000
that two women came into that conference

980
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:13,280
or would be women we don't know that

981
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,650
they were really women but there were

982
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:18,640
two women they were like peas in a pod

983
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:21,170
they looked exactly the same

984
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:24,560
they looked human definitely human

985
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:28,460
but they were like twins maybe one of

986
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:31,490
them was seemed maybe a little bit older

987
00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:34,850
than the other and it's it's it's too

988
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:37,070
long a story to relate entirely right

989
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:40,250
now but they were seen by others besides

990
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,640
me they seemed to single me out I got a

991
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:46,400
message mental message that they were

992
00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:48,260
going to sit down next to me at the

993
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:49,840
conference even though there was other

994
00:48:54,610 --> 00:48:52,310
tables where there was room for them to

995
00:48:57,610 --> 00:48:54,620
sit down and sure enough they sat down

996
00:49:01,660 --> 00:48:57,620
right next to me and one of them was

997
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:01,670
wearing a huge ring like a huge ring

998
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:03,790
with what looked like something a

999
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:05,050
bluish stone could have been an

1000
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:09,270
aquamarine or or a or another blue stone

1001
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:14,440
but it was it was quite a scary kind of

1002
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:16,690
experience to be and even in a room with

1003
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:21,640
a couple hundred people in it not many

1004
00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:23,710
other people remembered seeing them no

1005
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:27,340
not everybody but George filers wife saw

1006
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:30,610
them and a couple of other people saw

1007
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:33,190
them but they didn't notice anything

1008
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:34,930
unusual because they didn't interact

1009
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:37,300
with them but they sort of were a little

1010
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:41,530
bit out of time in the sense that their

1011
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:46,960
their address was that of maybe twenty

1012
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:51,160
years prior like around 1980s clothing

1013
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:53,710
and they kind of looked a little bit

1014
00:50:00,060 --> 00:49:57,610
like mafia wives is well I can say in a

1015
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,070
certain sense they had the same a helmet

1016
00:50:06,810 --> 00:50:03,040
haircuts a black hair or nearly black

1017
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:06,820
hair and helmet haircuts dressed in the

1018
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:10,810
same clothing it was odd it was really

1019
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,570
it was really an odd situation and and

1020
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,960
they did hone in right on me and the

1021
00:50:22,110 --> 00:50:18,760
first thing they said to me have you

1022
00:50:26,070 --> 00:50:22,120
seen a UFO and I said yes how about you

1023
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:26,080
because I often deflect the questions in

1024
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:28,360
that manner by you know dumping the

1025
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,480
question back at the person and and they

1026
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:33,520
said they had and they said they had

1027
00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:38,080
seen the UFOs in Medford New Jersey's

1028
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:41,080
Medford med medval Medford but it was

1029
00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:44,440
the same town where Alex from George

1030
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:46,180
filer lives and I said oh you must know

1031
00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:53,710
George filer then no we don't it was it

1032
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:55,660
was a little bizarre and it left me very

1033
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:00,160
unsettled for the time of the of Kate's

1034
00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:02,590
wonderful conference that I had the

1035
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:04,870
privilege to attend well thank you well

1036
00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:07,750
you know at Preston you seem to accept

1037
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:10,180
the fact that these beings are alien and

1038
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:12,370
they are in the sense of not being human

1039
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:15,170
but do you think they actually come from

1040
00:51:20,380 --> 00:51:17,900
a planet what's your sense of where

1041
00:51:22,930 --> 00:51:20,390
their origin is because I I really

1042
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:22,940
suspect they come and I know a lot of

1043
00:51:27,789 --> 00:51:25,430
people disagree with me mr. Freeman but

1044
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:27,799
I really have a feeling a lot of them

1045
00:51:34,569 --> 00:51:31,760
come from here right from Earth and just

1046
00:51:38,579 --> 00:51:34,579
sort of little subsets of humanity that

1047
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:38,589
have managed to exist outside our

1048
00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:43,849
existence yeah like a break away yeah I

1049
00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:47,260
get that feeling somehow it just seems

1050
00:51:52,089 --> 00:51:50,150
either that or this is just such an

1051
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:52,099
incredibly attractive planet that

1052
00:51:59,170 --> 00:51:53,990
everybody wants to come here you know

1053
00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:59,180
it's I have a difficult time getting

1054
00:52:03,220 --> 00:52:01,430
away from you know your standard

1055
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:03,230
extra-terrestrial hypothesis

1056
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:05,420
I think thanks Terry that really best

1057
00:52:13,809 --> 00:52:10,609
explains the evidence mm-hmm I mean cuz

1058
00:52:15,849 --> 00:52:13,819
that they're not extraterrestrials and

1059
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:15,859
where does that leave us what are we

1060
00:52:21,819 --> 00:52:19,040
mmm-hmm are we the only physical beings

1061
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,829
in the universe I highly doubt that I

1062
00:52:27,099 --> 00:52:24,079
think these guys probably do have some

1063
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:27,109
interdimensional abilities yes but we do

1064
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:30,020
too and we can go out of body yes we do

1065
00:52:35,770 --> 00:52:32,569
do do the same sort of things that you

1066
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:35,780
know they can do perhaps not the level

1067
00:52:39,789 --> 00:52:38,329
of understanding that they have but yeah

1068
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:39,799
I do think these guys come from other

1069
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:43,040
planets and they're building ships you

1070
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:45,650
know maybe they're made out of metal I

1071
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:49,700
think but that's appeared I just can't

1072
00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:52,730
get away from I think it best explains

1073
00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:54,920
the evidence but they do have any

1074
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:56,780
dimensional abilities there's no doubt

1075
00:53:02,380 --> 00:52:59,480
in my mind that they're very advanced

1076
00:53:08,049 --> 00:53:02,390
terms of understanding the so-called

1077
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,059
other side and higher dimensions but

1078
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:09,920
yeah I still think that they're dealing

1079
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,130
with biological beings very much like us

1080
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,160
only different and what their origins

1081
00:53:20,020 --> 00:53:17,599
are well that's a million-dollar

1082
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,030
question and yes yes it's been here

1083
00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:22,400
forever you know that yeah just be a

1084
00:53:28,329 --> 00:53:24,500
paintings and Renaissance paintings and

1085
00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:28,339
yes indeed I wouldn't be surprised if

1086
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,000
they've got a

1087
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:32,000
here or some of them had evolved from

1088
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:34,460
here or we evolved from somewhere else

1089
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:37,240
for that matter apparently the best

1090
00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:41,240
remote viewer in the past one of the

1091
00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:44,150
best let us say Ingo Swan was great also

1092
00:53:52,570 --> 00:53:48,140
but this guy Pat price he did speak

1093
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:52,580
about alien bases in Australia for one

1094
00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:54,950
he may have spoken about more than one

1095
00:54:03,160 --> 00:53:59,630
and I remember asking the famous

1096
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:03,170
physicist Hal poot of who started the

1097
00:54:08,590 --> 00:54:06,650
remote viewing the program in the United

1098
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:08,600
States with my dear friend Russell Targ

1099
00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:11,900
and how put off when I asked him a

1100
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:14,300
question in public at the remote viewers

1101
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:17,810
Association I asked him about Pat price

1102
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:22,870
who was his coworker really his his a

1103
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,570
person who he worked with a great deal

1104
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:28,480
was it true that there are alien bases

1105
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:31,430
around there was one in Australia or

1106
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:32,930
around Australia somewhere and he said

1107
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:34,370
yeah that's true that happened that's

1108
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:38,470
that's absolutely true so I don't know

1109
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:41,360
I've been made that there wasn't I mean

1110
00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:45,850
just the sheer number of people report

1111
00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:48,140
let's see that that's the whole thing I

1112
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:49,700
mean if it was a mission of exploration

1113
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:52,850
there be five or six and mission of

1114
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:54,680
invasion or whatever then there's that

1115
00:54:59,140 --> 00:54:57,140
by the thousands and yeah I'd still I

1116
00:55:02,680 --> 00:54:59,150
don't get the feeling that this is an

1117
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:02,690
invasion a force of invasion it just

1118
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:04,490
doesn't seem like that and even though

1119
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:06,350
they're technologically advanced it

1120
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:08,450
doesn't seem that they're sociologically

1121
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:10,670
that advanced either I mean they show a

1122
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:14,870
lot of human characteristics and you

1123
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:16,550
know certainly the tales of the old

1124
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:19,610
mythology and the origins of most of the

1125
00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:23,350
religions would seem to echo what these

1126
00:55:29,170 --> 00:55:26,620
people or what these beings are saying

1127
00:55:31,090 --> 00:55:29,180
yeah I think they're very much like us I

1128
00:55:33,390 --> 00:55:31,100
mean their behavior falls under the same

1129
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:33,400
sort of umbrella as human behavior hmm

1130
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:36,350
really I mean people were able to

1131
00:55:41,590 --> 00:55:38,930
predict UFO sightings Jim and Cora

1132
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,600
Lorenzen pioneering UFO investigators

1133
00:55:46,090 --> 00:55:44,240
yeah yeah realized that hey these guys

1134
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:46,100
out whenever there's a new technological

1135
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:48,470
installation built these guys appear

1136
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:50,630
over it you're actually able to predict

1137
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:54,650
UFO settings on by this method and I did

1138
00:55:59,950 --> 00:55:58,130
a study of like UFOs and Rockets they're

1139
00:56:02,580 --> 00:55:59,960
very closely watching all our

1140
00:56:05,610 --> 00:56:02,590
technological development into space and

1141
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:05,620
also I did a study on UFOs in mines

1142
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:09,440
iron mines and gold mines and there are

1143
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:11,450
so many cases they're about twenty or

1144
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:13,670
thirty cases where these UFOs are seen

1145
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:16,370
not only hovering over mines but landing

1146
00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,380
and in some cases actually affecting

1147
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:21,320
these mines so that's speaking toward

1148
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:23,690
them being you know interested in our

1149
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:25,910
metals of our planet which would mean

1150
00:56:32,290 --> 00:56:28,910
the building craft you know and their

1151
00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:32,300
physical things so I think that by and

1152
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:33,950
large their behavior is very much

1153
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:37,550
similar to ours and they're doing what

1154
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:39,740
we would probably do if we were to visit

1155
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:43,220
an alien race or another planet well

1156
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:44,630
yeah they're saying now if you go to

1157
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:47,870
Mars use the what you have there in Mars

1158
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:50,540
to create habitats rather than take it

1159
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:52,970
with you just use what what will be

1160
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:54,740
wherever you're going so yeah that would

1161
00:57:00,160 --> 00:56:57,410
make sense and when you mention gold

1162
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:00,170
then you think is such in - right and

1163
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:04,790
the Anunnaki that whole I he had some

1164
00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:06,860
interesting theories too I would say and

1165
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:09,860
the old gold mines in in Africa Africa

1166
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:13,430
all those you know I kind of almost

1167
00:57:26,890 --> 00:57:23,040
[Music]

1168
00:57:28,750 --> 00:57:26,900
well Preston I want to thank you very

1169
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:28,760
very much for being with us this

1170
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:32,990
afternoon and I hope that you will

1171
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,290
continue to keep writing and continue to

1172
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:38,720
keep letting us know about what it is

1173
00:57:43,870 --> 00:57:41,900
you're you're writing about because we

1174
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:43,880
certainly like to stay in touch with you

1175
00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:46,960
and once again we have been speaking to

1176
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:50,750
Preston Dennett and discussed primarily

1177
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:53,660
his book inside UFOs the true accounts

1178
00:57:58,499 --> 00:57:54,910
of contact

1179
00:58:00,599 --> 00:57:58,509
I recommend highly and I want to get

1180
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:00,609
myself a copy somewhere along the line

1181
00:58:08,009 --> 00:58:04,650
of I'm looking for the name of it here

1182
00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:08,019
boy oh boy oh boy the Coronado Island

1183
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:12,220
UFO incident because I want to find out

1184
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:13,089
what that was about

1185
00:58:19,019 --> 00:58:17,319
okay so thanks so much Preston and

1186
00:58:21,089 --> 00:58:19,029
Preston's been great talking to you

1187
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:21,099
again - thanks so much for your time

1188
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:23,950
this afternoon hey it's been a pleasure

1189
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:26,200
and yeah I really enjoyed talking with

1190
00:58:30,029 --> 00:58:28,660
you guys and I really appreciate you

1191
00:58:31,799 --> 00:58:30,039
guys having me on the show and we'll

1192
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:31,809
definitely have to do it again okay

1193
00:58:36,749 --> 00:58:35,440
speak to you soon well that was fun yeah

1194
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:36,759
that was really interesting

1195
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:40,720
yeah and just want to mention that next

1196
00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:45,849
time on shattered reality podcast which

1197
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:49,900
I think will be our show number 63 we

1198
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:53,710
are going to have Julie bye shall dr.

1199
00:59:01,710 --> 00:58:57,720
Julie bye shall who like many of our

1200
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:01,720
guests is a prominent Society for

1201
00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:06,690
scientific exploration member and she is

1202
00:59:13,279 --> 00:59:09,940
she along with her husband Mark

1203
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:13,289
they started the wind bridge Institute

1204
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:16,960
that has now morphed into a nonprofit

1205
00:59:25,799 --> 00:59:21,369
organization called I believe the wind

1206
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:25,809
bridge organization or G and we will be

1207
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:30,250
speaking to her about mediumship and the

1208
00:59:37,579 --> 00:59:33,430
kind of scientific verification that she

1209
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:37,589
has studied and experimented with

1210
00:59:43,019 --> 00:59:40,569
mediums and what she's up to it what

1211
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:43,029
she's up to with it right now and this

1212
00:59:48,089 --> 00:59:45,970
is a really good I think it's gonna be a

1213
00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:48,099
very interesting show and it's on a

1214
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:50,920
different a different scope than what

1215
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,599
we've been covering lately a different

1216
00:59:59,370 --> 00:59:55,440
topic yes I don't think we've done that

1217
01:00:03,740 --> 00:59:59,380
okay okay so now mm-hmm

1218
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:03,750
let's do it goodbye from shattered